Thursday, 28 February 2013

Communally hypnotism: Deprograming of the mindset

Nepal being only the hindu nation in the world till 2006 Nepalese are very much religious in terms of worshipping gods and goddesses and celebrating feasts and festivals. Since the early days rulers and political leaders had been controlling Nepalese for so many years by fictitious writings. Thus, their faith based belief system is strongly embedded in their subconscious mind since they have been fooled, bulled and ruled for so long by being communally hypnotised. Contribution of making this happened goes to the King Jayasthiti Malla (r.1382-1395), who united the valley, namely Kathmandu (Kirtipur), Bhatkapur and Patan the third king of the Malla Dynasty, a ruling dynasty of Nepal from the 12th to the 18th century that stretched over 550 years and codified the frist law in Nepal, including the caste system, based on the dharma of ancient religious textbooks[1].

The Manab Nyaya Shastra is the first codified law of Nepal. It was written during the Malla Dynasty, which is known to be the 5th dynasty of Nepal. It was written by King Jayasthiti Malla in the 14th century along with the help of five learned persons; Kirtinath Upadhyaya Kanyakubja, Raghunath Jha Maithili, Srinath Bhatta, Mahinath Bhatta, and Ramanath Jha. The Manab Nyaya Shastra was consequently written after the study of Manu Smriti, Yagyawalkya Smriti, Mitachhyara Tika, Brihaspati Smriti, Narad Smriti and other holy texts. It was written concentrating on the practices that prevailed in the society then. The Manab Nyaya Shastra has introduced many legal provisions regarding houses, lands, castes, dead bodies etc. It was the major source of rendering justice during the medieval period. Much influence of religion can be found in the laws then. [2]"

 This legendary compilation of traditions was seen as the source of legal reforms during the 19th and 20th centuries.

The Malla era shaped the religious as well as artistic landscape, introducing the dramatic chariot festivals of Indra Jatra and Matsyendranath. The Malla kings shored up their position by claiming to be reincarnations of the Hindu god Vishnu and establishing the cult of the Kumari, a living goddess whose role it was to bless the Malla's rule during an annual celebration [1].

The Malla dynasty last king Jaya Prakash Malla, the king of Kathmandu (Kritipur), was an intelligent ruler ruled from 1736 to 1746, and then from 1750 until Prithvi Narayan Shah of the Gorkha Kingdom invaded it in 1768-69 CE with the Battle of Kirtipur also used the religion as sword to fight against Prithvi Narayan Shah [3]. He looked to religion for support to fight against Gorkhas. A priest he trusted told  him  that the future of Nepal depended on the Kumari (Living Goddess). And so in 1768, the festival of Indra Jatra was celebrated with fervour. The Nepalese (the Newar people) drank lots of rice beer during the festivities, especially on September 13 on the day of the chariot festival. They did not notice that the Gorkhas had entered the city until they had surrounded the Kumari’s chariot.
Pandemonium broke out that Jaya Prakash Malla jumped down from the royal chariot with his two wives and escaped to Lalitpur. Prithv Narayan Shah stepped in front of the bewildered crowd and shouted, “I’m now your king. Carry on with your drinking.” Prithvi Narayan Shah was a that time 46 years old.

Many Newars drank rice beer because they were terror-stricken. The Gorkhas put their swords to the necks of the Newars who refused to accept the new king, so they had no choice but to obey. In the following winter, the Gorkhas also conquered Lalitpur without any opposition. The Mallas then gathered at the palace in Bhaktapur. The palace was well defended. And following the advice of his British advisors, Prithvi Narayan Shah imposed a blockade. After three years, Bhaktapur’s food stock ran out. And one night, some illegitimate children of the Mallas opened the gates to the city. The valley’s three kings were arrested in their bedrooms. Jaya Prakash Malla committed suicide. To show his big-heartedness, Prithvi Narayan allowed Jaya Prakash to be brought to Pashupatinath temple for the final rites.

Jang Bahadur Rana, ruler of Nepal and founder of the Rana dynasty, a Hindu Rajput dynasty which ruled the Kingdom of Nepal from 1846 until 1951, reducing the Shah monarch to a figurehead and making Prime Minister and other government positions hereditary. He ruled 1846 to 25 February 1877 and received the hereditary rights to the title of Rana and a salute of 19 guns from the British.
The Nepali civil code Muluki Ain was written by Jang Bahadur Rana in 1854 after his European tour. It codified social codes in practice for several centuries in Nepal that was rooted in Vyavahāra (traditional Hindu legal procedure), Prāyaścitta (avoidance and removal of sin) and Ācāra (the customary law of different castes and communities). These three are collectively called Dharmaśāstra. A traditional Hindu king was duty-bound to put these precepts into practice.
The Muluki Ain divided Nepali citizens into two castes "the caste whose water is allowed to remain pure" and "the caste whose water is defiled" promoting caste (upper and lower) and gender based discriminations. These discriminatory provisions of the civil code were based on Hindu scriptures like Parskar Grihyasutra, Gautam Sutra, Manusmṛti and Shukra Niti [4,5].

There was no provision for lower-caste participation in the economic, social, cultural and administrative spheres. They had to survive on low-paid manual work such as playing indigenous musical instruments, leather-work, practicing music, art and dance, pottery, general labor, cleaning latrines, and washing clothes. This system prevailed till by law until Muluki Ain was revised in 1962.
The present caste system derives from Shah dynasty founder who unified Nepal, Prithvi Narayan's famous saying that Nepal as a garden of 4 castes and 36 classes (4 jat, 36 varna) [6]. However this is only a rough estimate for the Hill region. The Newar community and the Terai community each has more than 36 castes.
Nepal is a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multilingual country. As per the recent census 2011, Hinduism is practised by about 81% of Nepalis, making it the country with the highest percentage of Hindu followers; Buddhism is linked historically with Nepal and is practiced by 9%, Islam by 4.4%, Kirat 3%, Christianity 1.4%, and animism 0.4%.  There is 126 caste/ethnic groups in Nepal.
Since last 5-6 years to seek the soical justice socio-political conflicts between two groups, Bahun/Chhetri and Janajati (indigeneous), Madheshi, women, dalit (untouchable caste), religious minorities (muslim/christians) have been going on that they have been facings ruling castes group since last 250 years. In our hardware, brain religious software had been successfully instilled by the rulers and politicians because people were forbidden to obtain education. Nepal opened its borders to the outside world only in 1950. Therefore, massive population were in isolation and also not allowed to obtain education.
Now, without creating further choatic situation in the heavenly nation, Nepal to bring soical justice through peaceful movement, Nepalese need to learn to Deprogram their Programmed Mindset (Subconscious mind) of 250 years, which is very challenging. However, there is a great hope since majority (40%) of Nepal's population constitute of youths who relatively believe in scientific knowledge rather than myths that have been promoting by rulers, politicians, and their scholars and advisors to shaped the mind of people to fool, bull and rule over them hypnotising them.

The scientists, headed by Doctor Julius Sanreso, research findings said that organised religion or creationism to accept the fact that religious books were written by men as a control system [7].

"We must ensure that the people who have been fooled for so long by fictitious belief systems utilised to control humans do not get too angry when they realise that what they believe in is nonsense written by humans utilising human created language. This could be dangerous for society, so we must either let them carry on believing their fiction or try to somehow support them when they realise the truth," Dr Sanreso said.

Infact, no one can win TIME and MIND we are born to LOVE and our mind is software and our brain is like a hardware.

When we are born our mind is free with prejudice, hatred and fear. All the programs such as hatred, fear, belief, negativity, etc have been instilled by our parents, society, schools, media, preachers, priests, etc during the socialisation process.

Due to this we, Nepalese are very much superstitious because without any reason or logic we just blindly trust to our preachers, priests, monks, and faith that means are we brainless who can't think rationally what is right or wrong!! We've to understand that
“ If superstition enters, the brain is gone. ”
~ Swami Vivekananda

Therefore, as a literate people if we truly want to establish PEACE, Harmony, Unity, Prosperity, Justice and Equality in our society and nature made heaven but man (manubadi demonic rulers and their advisors of past and present) made HELL nation then WE, literate Nepalese MUST LEARN to DEPROGRAM our MINDSET that has been PROGRAMMED since we were born to date.

To Deprogram our programmed mindset we have to learn to live with REASON rather than clinging blindly on belief in man-made faith. We've to learn to follow religions with REASON in each and every aspect for humanity as Buddha said:

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

We've to learn to Think Positive. Act Positive. Develop Positive Habits. Life is too short to waste in destructive thoughts and habits. If you can do this then Nepal can be made heavenly nation as per the time present time demand of 21st century establishing just society treating every Nepalese like a human rather than inhumane manner which can be still found in our society.

1. Bindloss, Joe; Holden, Trent; Mayhew, Bradley. (2009). Nepal. Lonely Planet.
2. Khanal Rewatiraman,Nepal ko Kanuni Itihash ko Ruprekha
3. Shrestha Ganga Lal. The fall of Newah kingdom, accessed from
4. Drekmeier, Charles (1962) Kingship and community in early India. (Stanford: Stanford University Press), pp. 223 ff.
6. Hachhethu, Krishna "Nepal: Confronting Hindu identity", South Asian Journal, 2(October–December 2003
7. Delaire, B. 2011. Scientists Prove That All Religious Books Are Man-Made Nonsense

STOP saying Bahunbad: Talk about Manubad!!

If we Nepalese believe in Peace, harmony, justice and unity then we've to learn to understand and use correct terms without hurting anybody based on the evidences rather than just an indvidual opionion. 

From the very early in 2011 when I came across the term "Bahunbad" used by many Janajati (indigenous) brothers I was always skeptical and tried to get its true meaning and also identify who coined this term and WHY. Came to know that Late respected Ganesh Man Singh had coined the term and popularized by Prof. Dor Bahadur Bista. Since then both Bahun as well non-bahun (Janajati, Khas Chhetri and dalit) scholars and people have been using it.
However, I still think and consider it is not the right way to promote this term since it hurts to good, honest and poor Bahun brothers and sisters who haven't done any Bahunbadi activities. They also love to see establishing Justice, Peace, Equality, Prosperity, Freedom and Equal opportunities for every Nepalese people to establish just society where everyone is happy and remain in peace in mind.

Therefore, I think the right term we've to learn to use without hurting any good people of the same community. In this regard, I strongly propose to use the term "Manubad or Manubadi" instead of "Bahunbad" "Brahmanbad" or "Bahunbadi" since whatever happening or doing in our society are as per the Law of Manu "Manusmriti" that had incorporated in our early national Code of Conduct "Manab Nyaya Shastra" and later carried on by Janga Bahadur Rana formulating "Muluki Ain" in 1854 based on the "Manab Nyaya Shastra". Therefore, our society and our country Law is still on the path of Manusmriti and Manubadi mentality that's WHY we still have entrenched caste and gender based discrimination in our society.

The Manusmriti Nepali translator intellectual Mr. Tilak Prasad Luital in the book titled "Manusmriti ma Sudra ra Shthri" authored by Chitra Psd. Panta, Gopi Sapkota and Gita Subedi said "Manusmriti Prachin Samajko Bidhi Bidhan Nirman ra Lagu garne Garntha ho. Aaja Pani Hamra Samajik Byewar Teska Niyamharu Sakriya Raheka Chan."

 Besides, I was suggested last year to go through "Manab Nyaya Shastra" by a lawyer, Mr. Adhikari to whom I met in one of the book shops in Bhota Hiti, Kathmandu. Here is the evidence of it.

"The Manab Nyaya Shastra is the first codified law of Nepal. It was written during the Malla Dynasty, which is known to be the 5th dynasty of Nepal. It was written by King Jayasthiti Malla in the 14th century along with the help of five learned persons; Kirtinath Upadhyaya Kanyakubja, Raghunath Jha Maithili, Srinath Bhatta, Mahinath Bhatta, and Ramanath Jha. The Manab Nyaya Shastra was consequently written after the study of Manu Smriti, Yagyawalkya Smriti, Mitachhyara Tika, Brihaspati Smriti, Narad Smriti and other holy texts. It was written concentrating on the practices that prevailed in the society then. The Manab Nyaya Shastra has introduced many legal provisions regarding houses, lands, castes, dead bodies etc. It was the major source of rendering justice during the medieval period. Much influence of religion can be found in the laws then."
Source: Khanal Rewatiraman,Nepal ko Kanuni Itihash ko Ruprekha

Science vs Religion: View of a Priest who became a scientist

As per my to date exploration in understanding science and religon what I have understood is science (knowledge) is an evolution based on natural phenomenon whereas religion is a stagnant, not evolved based on the time. Therefore, scientific knowledge is keep evolving based on further exploration and investigation in the same issues or problems. Whereas religion is based on the ancient texts and scriptures thus it can be changed because it is believed that religous text books messages are god words.
It is very thought provoking to read about the views of  Francisco J. Ayala, aged 76 a former Dominican priest and a Spanish-American geneticist, molecular biologist and philosopher at the University of California about Science and Religion.
Here is what he said about it:
"Science concerns the processes that account for the natural world: how the planets move, the composition of matter and the atmosphere, the origin and function of organisms.

Religion has nothing definitive to say about these natural processes: nothing about the causes of tsunamis or earthquakes or why volcanic eruptions occur, or why are droughts that ruin farmers' crops. The explanation of these processes belongs to science. It is a categorical mistake to seek their explanation in religious beliefs or sacred texts.

Science provides an account of how galaxies, stars and planets came about after the big bang. It has discovered how the HIV epidemic originated and how Aids spreads. A person of faith may interpret these events in religious terms, but they are explained by science."

Does religion is necessary to be a moral?

Today, I had an interesting discussion on the facebook about Religion and Morality. One of my facebook friends, Mr. Giri from Kathmandu, Nepal said:
"A man just see the words and come agresively forgetting all his previous manners...You also forgetting it...even you are following buddhism....what Zen Religion...! Every body should know Religion+Science=Life

if we remove science in life, the life is boring... and if we remove religion in life, we should face present anarchism, raping,killing,ruthless and manymore.."
I replied him saying, "I respect each and everyone views because that depends upon their level of understanding, knowledge and ignorance. Giri ji it is your definition of Life=religion+science because there is 14.09% people in the world who don't believe and follow religion made by an ancient clever mind to bull, fool and rule over their mind. This figure is more than the hindu (13.26%) population in the world. Mortality has nothing to do with religion. Morality depends upon human consciousness, feelings and knowledge that they obtain. "Morality" does not require religion, it requires common decency. We don’t need religion to have morals. If we can’t determine right from wrong, then we lack empathy, not religion. I've personally met some athiest who are moral without the needs of a religion. So I believe one does not need religion to be moral. Though some people feel that religion is needed to dictate how they morally judge this does not mean they cant distinguish right from wrong if they were not religious. We've a brain to think and different WHAT is right or wrong to do so we don't need religion to be a moral. I've noticed many religious people without moral as well.
  "Wisdom, compassion, and courage are the three universally recognized moral qualities of men."
- Confucius 
Then he replied rationalizing,
:Religion is irrational--by the irrational and for the irrational. Reason can not contain it; reason is so small. Religion is vast sky of existence.Reason is a tiny human phenomenon. The reason has to be lost, has to be dropped. Only by going beyond the mind does one start understanding what is. That's the radical change. No philosophy can bring that radical change--only religion.
Religion is non-philosophic, anti-philosophic and Zen is purest form of religion. Hence it is irrational, it is absurd. If you try to understand it logically you will be bewildered. It can only be understood illogically. It has to be approached in deep sympathy and love. You cannot approach Zen through empirical, scientific and objective concepts. They all have to be dropped.
It is a heart phenomenon. You have to feel it rather than think it. You have to be it to know it. Being is knowing and there is no other knowing.
That's why religion has to choose a different kind of language. Religion has to talk in parables, in poetry, in metaphors, in myth. Those are indirect method of hinting at the truth--only hinting at the truth, no direct pointig; just whispering, not shouting. It comes to you in a deep rapport.
Science and Religion are diametrically opposite. They belong to different dimensions of existence.They don't overlap each other's ground, each other's fields. They simply never meet! but meet. They don't criss-cross. And modern mind has been trained for science, hence religio. has become almost out of date, of the past. There seems to be no future for religion."
My response to him was
"Giri ji as I said earlier I don't disagree with you because it depends upon in what level we've been aware or conscious about the fact with our open mind or how much we've been fooled and hypnotised by our faith "religion" and embedded our belief system in our subconscious mind. Since I was a child I was always skeptial and wonder WHY God don't make rich to poor; WHY poor people have to suffer a lot compared to rich and WHY poor people in the countryside don't have time to go to temples or visit holy places to worship, which they are the one who need god to help them to become a rich and come out from their problems and sufferings of poverty. These all wonder and curiosities never ever allowed me to follow in any faith blindly because my mind didn't allow to accept me it without any reason. After starting my study on the topic "Gender Power relation in Sexual and Reproductive Health" made me wake up and realise that we have been fooled for so long by being communally hypnotised. Then I decided to live with reason follow this mantra in my life:
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
- Buddha
"We must ensure that the people who have been fooled for so long by fictitious belief systems utilised to control humans do not get too angry when they realise that what they believe in is nonsense written by humans utilising human created language. This could be dangerous for society, so we must either let them carry on believing their fiction or try to somehow support them when they realise the truth," Dr Sanreso said.
Giri ji in your understanding what is a religion and what is a science! and also Who wrote religious books Would appreciate if you could share your thoughts or views on it."
Thereafter he didn't response to my question.

Anyway, I believe that we can't just say and claim that RELIGIOUS people are MORAL and non-religous people are immorable!

You do not need religion to be moral if you can't think what is right or wrong with your own brain and mind.

If religious people would be a moral one then WHY they engage in corruption, rape, violence, war, etc and also WHY Muslim hates non-muslims, WHY Hindu hates non-hindu, WHY Hindu and Muslim kills too many animals brutally in the name of God, WHY they treat women badly, and many more such questions needs to be answered if people think that religion is required to be a moral.
Therefore, I srongly believe that to be a moral we don't need any religion or no need to be religious person.
"If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world.

Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or g...urus actually said or did.

Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
- Christopher Hitchens (1949-2011), a British-American author and journalist
Infact, whether or not it is important to follow religion to be a moral. Here is the answer from one of the world great mind!

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
 - Steven Weinberg (1933), an American physicist, and awarded the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics for combining electromagnetism and the weak force into the electroweak force.

Is it beneficial to feel proud!!!!

Interesting to notice in the facebook that many Nepalese and Indian brothers are proud of themsevles and proud to belong to certain societal gifted groups such as caste/ethnicity, religion, nationality, etc. But I have not seen any girls writing feeling proud of anythings except their achievement.  It might be due to their ignorance they are feeling such. So, let's learn something about "Pride" whether or not it is beneficial for our personal growith and development! 

Pride level of human consciousness something that most people aspire to.

It’s socially encouraged. We’re told we should take pride in our work, accomplishments, and material objects.

Compared to the lower levels of conscousness such as shame, guilt, apathy, Grief, fear, desire, and anger, pride feels great. It certainly beats the depression and hopelessness found in Shame and Apathy. However, pride is still below the crucial level of 200, Courage. It is still weak, and thus is related to force rather than true power.

Pride is a weakness because it can so easily transform into any of the lower levels. If a prideful businessman suddenly loses all his money, he could easily go through Anger, Fear, and end up at Apathy, completely losing touch with what he based his life around. Pride comes from associating ones self with things that don’t really matter.

Although pride feels good at first, it is ultimately foolish. Religious wars are often a function of pride. It lacks the unification of the higher levels, instead being based on the egoic need to be better than someone or something else.

Source: Power vs. Force, The Hidden Determinants of Human Behavior: An Anatomy of Consciousness by David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Sunday, 24 February 2013

What's an important nation or religion if we've to choose one!!

On 14 Feburary I came across the news paper article titled "भारतीयलाई नागरिकता दिनेलाइ कारवाही गरेको विरोधमा रौतहटका सबै गाविस बन्द " dated 13 February 2013 [1]. I shared this article in "Sanghiyata Ko Bisayama Kulla Bahas" facebook group [2] writing below status:
"भारतीय नागरिकलाई नेपाली नागरिकता प्रमाणपत्र दिन सिफारिश गरेको आरोपमा पक्राउ परेका सचिवलाई तत्काल रिहाइको माग गर्दै रौतहटका सबै गाविस सचिवहरुले काम काज ठप्प पारी आन्दोलनमा उत्रेका छन्।

Cool Nepal will be soon part of India since our politicians and people are distributing citizenship to Indian people. This is how we've to unite.
United we Stand, Divided we Fall as Aesop said!!
Money can buy and sell anything in Nepal. We, Nepalese are man-made poor so we just need money. We sell our men and women, we sell religions, we sell our lands, we sell our daughters and women/children, we sell our moral and value, we sell sex, we sell everything please come and buy in Nepal whatever we have gifted by the nature and national boundary!! Heard that during Girja Prasad Koirala as well Nepal had distributed around 365,000 citizenship. No wonder WHY our Hindu populations has been increased and Buddhism population decreased as per the census 2011 despite our people are converting to Christian and muslim.
Since Bashu Dev Lohani (शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट) ji from USA and Hemant Mainali ji from UK two these guys I found very much opened and concerned about Federalism and identity. Thus I questioned them writing below comments. We had very hot and long discussion about the issues with many friends. But I've just highlighted the discussion that I had with Bashu ji and Hemant ji since I was bit more interested to know about their views.
  • पासाङ शेर्पा या त रौतहटका जम्मै सचिबहरु भारतिय(भारतबाट भर्ति गरेको) हुनु पर्छ।हैन भने कानुनलाई कुलचेर दोस्रो देश्कोब्यक्तिलाई बिना आधार नागरिक्ता दिईन्छ भने कारबाहि हुन्नु पर्छ हैन भने रौतहटका आरु सचिबहरु (बासि)ले आफ्नो भुमि भारतम गभ्नु पर्छ भन्नु हो।
  • Shyam Mallik अझ नागरिकता दिएको पनि कसलाई !! त्यो सचिव को पनि पद र नागरिकता खोसी भारत पठाए बेश होला !! वा ति सबै सचिव को जागिर खोसी नया नेपालीलाई तिनको पद मा बहाल गर्दा थाहा पाउथे होला कि !!
  • Tenzing Limbu देश को जिम्मेवार ओहदामा बसेर गैर कानुनी काम गर्ने अझ कारबाही को माग गर्छ कि भनेको त अझ अपराधी लाई माफ पो यस्ता गिरोह हरु सबै लाई कडा भन्दा कडा सजाय हुनु पर्छ
  • Kobin Jung tyo sachiv nai bharatiya jasto lagyo malai
  • Kobin Jung bharatiya mantri bhako desh 6 hamro bharat ko chamcha haru sab
  • Laxmi Tamang That's the problem we've in Nepal. We mostly live in Kathmandu and other places where Madheshi are less and Indian takes opportunity. I"m pretty sure if this trend continue then as per the RAW plan after 50-100 years Nepal will be India since they already claim Lumbini and Mt. Everest in India anyway and some Nepalese brothers studying in India said it has written in their schools and university books. And also my friend, Mr. Ghimire studying at JNU said Indian scholars and students say to them WHY not merge Nepal into India !
  • Laxmi Tamang Bashu Dev Lohani ji and Hemant Mainali ji please do share your views in this regard. What's an important nation or religion if we've to choose one!!
  • Shyam Mallik Laxmi Tamang ji, जननी जन्मभूमिश्च स्वर्गादपि गरीयसी - so definitely NATION-First according to our Dharma and Karma both ... the solution for the problem is why don't we go ahead in terms of Development with respect to India .... why we are always forced to blame everything on others not on us ourselves ...(may be our politicians brainwashed us)... examples we have is: Pakistan blame everything wrong in her country due to India and we can see where Pakistan is...similarly Israel blames no-one for her development however sorrounded by enemies and we can see where Israel is....
  • Laxmi Tamang I'm not blaming I'm just sharing the reality and facts based on my level of understanding and our leaders and politicians are selling our nation as I said above during GP time he offered around 365,000 citizenship for Bihari people
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Laxmi ji, It depends who you ask. I am against religion, any religion. You might be surprised and ask why do I defend Hinduism then? Then my answer would be, Hindu is not a religion, it's a complete civilization. The social evils that are prevalent in Hindu society today have been developed by cunning Brahmins and rulers in the name of religion; they are against Vedas, they are against the foundation of Hindu civilization, I am against such practices.
    Just like you will always be a Tamang no matter wherever you are, whether you are in Tamangsaling, Dharan, India or Australia unless you give up everything about your Jatitwa, similarly I will always be a Hindu unless I give up everything about Hindutwa. So Hindu or Vedic civilization is my identity. I use Hindu synonymous to Vedic civilization.
    My country is that place on earth where my identity should be unquestionably respected and preserved. So my country is important. But if the state of my country does not respect my identity, then I will have to fight against the state. This is what the Janajaatis are currently doing.
    Look at Bhutanese Nepalese. The Bhutani state wanted them to assimilate with the northerners giving up their identity, they refused, fought against the state, and did not hesitate to leave their country, their motherland.
    Conclusion: One's identity, one's dignity is more important than anything else.
  • Shyam Mallik tha's what I'm telling.... blaming bihari rather than GP is our fault...
  • Laxmi Tamang Hehehehe! Hinduism is a not a religion aare ! How I can trust you one person out of 7 billion person, who can't prove that to the world Hinduism is not a religon. I can understand that Brahmin=veda=hinduism.
  • Laxmi Tamang If Nepal merge with India then for you no problem because Hinduism is an origin of India?
  • Sierra Sudip ani terai ko manche haru yesto cha teta border ko jaanmat sangrah gare k hola?
  • Laxmi Tamang Jiyara Shah will win since he has been keep saying!
  • Shyam Mallik if we could punish GP then no other Netas would have gutts to do such again it's our fault ....
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट If Nepal merge with India, keep Nepal's name and flag, then I have no problem.
  • Shyam Mallik Sierra Sudip : who is saving the border with India ?? is it Nepalese Army or Pahad ko manchhe or Terai ko manche???
  • Laxmi Tamang Hahahaha! That's what our Netas are trying to do and I had that doubt on you " If Nepal merge with India, keep Nepal's name and flag, then I have no problem." that's why I keep asking you because you don't care about motherland. You are about your identity
  • Sierra Sudip not all terai people, indicating persons like this type of sachibs
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट What do you mean I don't care, if the country's name remains Nepal, then India is merged in Nepal, not otherwise, and keeping our flag is the proof. It just means we increased our land by 22 times.
  • Laxmi Tamang Brahmin's identity =India
  • Sierra Sudip we dont need indian land, current Nepal is enough
  • Laxmi Tamang Sierra Sudip ji we are not asking India land but current Nepal's land after 50-100 years will be India. You don't have to worry about that since Brahmin's identity=India
  • Shyam Mallik person like GP, Prachanda are more dangerous than these sachibs..
  • Laxmi Tamang I don't think so because they are after identity so trying to merge with India. Identity is important than any land or whatsoever.
  • Sierra Sudip I dont think it will take 50 years, 10 years will be sufficient
  • Laxmi Tamang Good! good! Good! to see within my life time merging with India so we can be a citizen of Mahan Bharat and proud to be a country of origin of Sanskrit and veda!
  • Sierra Sudip esa hone se paile saab chillu bhar pani meih dub kar mar jaye
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Who was Janak? Who was Sita? Indian? Who was Vyas? Indian? India was a country created in 1947. Nepal is more authentic Hindustan than India, in the truest sense of the word Hindu which means natives of the Indian subcontinent. India was ruled by Muslim for 1000 years and 300 years by British, Nepal has always been ruled by the natives.
  • Laxmi Tamang Hahahahahahaha! Hamara Bharat and Hindustan Mahan Hai. No debate Bashu Dev Lohani ji. We are going to be an India citizen soon! At least we can be a gigantic nation citizen where Indus valley civilisaition started! I love India because India has given me life and I'm upto this level now because of India!
  • Sierra Sudip lets not go to who are humans, I think when human civilization was at initial phase all world was single country, shall we join america and europe in Nepal too
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट If we sell Buddha's teachings to Europe and America, they will be ours within a century, no doubt.
  • Laxmi Tamang Buddhism was originated from India anyway. There is nothing left in Nepal about Buddhism except khokro Lumbini as a birth place which also has been constructed in India because Buddhism started from India and owned by Tibet and applied by westerners! Nepal hati aayo hati aayo fussa!!
  • Shyam Mallik Edvige Antonia Albina Maino aka Sonia gandhi, President of congress india is Brahmin, mohammad hamid ansari-vice president of india is brahmin, manmohan singh-prime minister of india is brahmin, Shahabuddin Yaqoob Quraishi-chief election commisnor of india is brahmin, Ram baran yadav-president of Nepal is brahmin......... m i right Laxmi Tamang ji??
  • Laxmi Tamang I'm just scared with India because Indian males are mostly misogynist. Otherwise, fine for me to be known as Indian citizen since I might have to migrate else because all my brothers lives in abroad and by that time my mum aged 76 and sis aged 45 might be gone anyway and also my face will not identify me as an Indian anyway.
  • Laxmi Tamang I don't know what is right or wrong Shyam Mallik ji since our origin is Hindustan/India from Indus valley civilisation and our politicians, rulers, raja maharaja of past and present are all from India and our national culture, tradtions, rituals, film industry, etc all are India and Bihari people are getting Nepalese citizens so we will be soon within 50-100 years will be Indian citizen. Then conflict between Hindu (Brahmanbaad) and non-Hinduism (Non-Brahmanbaad) will be over because United we stand, Divided we fall as aesop said so we've to unite. I've noticed almost all Nepalese living in USA and Canada prefer to merge Nepal with India. I had discussion in another group as well with scholars living in USA and Canada and Bashu Dev Lohani ji also lives in USA!
  • Shyam Mallik अल्पानामपि वस्तूनां संहतिः कार्यसाधिका l
    त्रृणैर्गुणत्वमापन्नैर् बध्यन्ते मत्तदन्तिनः ll - Panchtantra

    Great things can be achieved if even insignificant or small things are used together !
    Many blades of grass woven together can make a rope capable of tying up an elephant in rut !!
    Laxmi Tamang United We Stand, Divided We Fall so Nepal must be united with India. Otherwise Chinese and USA might eat us. After 10 years in 2031 have a look Nepal census then after 2041 look the result of our census if Nepal still Name as a country.
  • Sierra Sudip shyam ji tehi bhayera prithvi narayan shah le 4 barna 36 jaat banako hola
  • Laxmi Tamang 4 jat and 36 varna of PN Shah can go to India and emerge and leave pahad himalaya to rest of Nepalese
  • Sierra Sudip haha 4 varna madhye mathi ko top 2 varna lai chai pathaunu parcha
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Laxmi Tamang ji, What kind of narrow understanding of history you have. What is present day Nepal? It was created 250 years ago or rather during the time of Jang Bahadur when he got naya muluk, what is present day India? It was created 68 years ago. Pakistan was created 66 years ago and Bangladesh was created 40 years ago. In the long span of history political boundaries come and go.
    बर्तमान राजनैतिक घेराबन्दीको आधारमा मानिसहरूको इतिहासहरूलाई नाप्नु मिल्दैन र उनिहरुको बफादारिता जोख्न पनि मिल्दैन। देश बन्छ भत्कन्छ तर संस्क्रिती निरन्तर चलिरहन्छ। उदाहरणको लागि आजको ५००० बर्ष अगाडी पनि किरातीहरू थिए, अबको ५००० बर्ष पछाडि पनि हुनेछन्, तर तिनीहरू नेपाल देशको नागरिक हुनेछन या या अन्य कुनै आर्को देशको नागरिकको रुपमा हुनेछन हुनेछन त्यो भन्न सकिन्न। त्यस्तै मानव संस्क्रिती र सभ्यताको लामो इतिहास छ, देशहरूको इतिहास छोटो छोटो छ। जसले आफ्नो संस्क्रिती जिवित राख्न सके उनिहरुमात्र इतिहासको कठोर परिक्षामा उतिर्ण हुन सके, इतिहासले यहि सिकाउछ, त्यसैले आफ्नो संस्क्रितीको रक्षा गर्नु पर्छ, संस्क्रितीको रक्षा गरे संस्क्रितीले नै आफ्नो रक्षा गर्छ। यो कुरो बर्तमान ईजरायल राज्य र यहुदीहरूको इतिहासबाट पनि पुष्टी हुन्छ।
    We need a state that guarantees protection and preservation of our culture, because at the end of the day, that is just what matters.
    Nepal protects us, that is why we will even die for Nepal. If Nepal does not protect us, then we won't die for Nepal.
    We don't want to merge with India. India is a dominion of the British, who wants to merge with the country that is a dominion of our arch enemy in terms of civilization? If India wants to merge in Nepal, keep the name of the united country as Nepal, and keep the flag of Nepal then we can accept it otherwise NO.
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट How do you measure the loyalty of a Tamang of Sikkim or Darjeeling? Sikkim was independent until some years ago, how do you measure the loyalty of Khas people of Sikkim? How do you measure the loyalty of Kirati people of Sikkim before Sikkim was merged with India and after it has been merged with India?
  • Sierra Sudip hami India lai Nepal ma merge garne bhanda, swatantra Nepal lai kasari bachaune bhanne bare ma soche ramro hola, ki kaso?
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Sochnu parne ta tyahi ho, tara prashna anusaar ko jawaaf dieko maatra ho maile.
  • Shyam Mallik Sierra Sudip ji, Varna ko parivhasa ta quality anusar hunchha ra sabai barna ek arka ka paripurak hunchhan.....ab tapaile kasari varna bujhnu vayeko chha, tyo ta thaha vayena....tara western country tira pani yesko satta ma samaj ma middle, aristocrat, business and working classes hunchhan...tehi ho hami kahaa hamile ek arka ka paripurak na vayera ek arka lai hochyaune prabriti ko bikas garyaun...ra..tesaiko fal pani khadai chhau....anyway..PN shah le 4 varna 36 jaat pani vane ra na birsaun Nepal ekikaran pani gare...
  • Laxmi Tamang Bashu Dev Lohani ji no problem for me if Nepal wish to merge by Brahmin leaders and scholars to India and will be Nepal state of India since what can they do except merging to India since culture and religion are so important to Brahmin to preserve from lost from this earth. Identity is important than motherland anyway.
  • Sierra Sudip Shyam Mallik jee western country ma class huncha tara they are according to their economical status; all nationalities are equal.. 4 barna 36 jaat jasto kura le garda nai Nepal ma antar jatiya dwanda ko kura niskeko ho,
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Laxmi Tamang I have problem with that. You might have lost hope in your ability to save this country, I have not.
  • Laxmi Tamang You never lost hope because you want to be part of India state but I wanted to be autonomous but if our Brahmin leaders and scholars want to be a part of India territory that's fine and that's what you want since religion and culture is so important to you than your independent motherland. I know Brahmin men can sell anything for MONEY, SEX, Culture and RELIGON and that's what they have been doing since the formation of Nepal state!
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Please don't put words in my mouth and don't assume things, I think I had made this clear in our last series of conversation, that is not good argumentation. Where did I say I want to part of India state?
  • Shyam Mallik Laxmi Tamang ji, who are un-Brahmin leaders of Nepal and India ?? how many un-Brahmin leaders are there in our country ??plz enlighten me ...... tehi ta hami kahaa pani class thiyo on the basis of Quality and Duty .... tara hamro ta "kaag le kaan lagyo vandai ma kaan na chhami kaag tira daudne prabriti ko bikash vayeko le yesto dwanda aayeko ho .....
  • Laxmi Tamang Any readers of this discussion can make a sense which you've already stated if Nepal merge with India and name as Nepal is fine to preserve your identity and culture/religion
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट You should quote me where I have said that.
  • Sierra Sudip Shyam Mallik jee class quality and duty ma classify garnu nai discrimination ho
  • Laxmi Tamang Gosh! Bashu Dev Lohani ji I hope you don't have dementia. You said above "शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट" If Nepal merge with India, keep Nepal's name and flag, then I have no problem."
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Keep Nepal's name means, keep the name of the United country as Nepal, and keep Nepal's falg as the flag of the new country. I have made that very clear in my following comment.
  • Shyam Mallik this is what our mentality is Sierra Sudip ji .... Doctor lai tapai thulo manu hunchha tara tehi safai karmachari lai tallo.....yo mind set lai hataunu paryo......both are equally important at their place....western country tira sayad yesto mentality chhaina...ra...develop gardai chhan....
  • Laxmi Tamang I think compared to our Khas Brahmin brothers Jiyara Shah sounds much better to me since he is consistent with his fight of identity rather than being hypocrite because Nepali is an ethnicity anyway
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Sierra Sudip There are Varnas in Newa, there are Varnas in Madhesh, what do you mean by mathiko top 2? Do you mean the hill Bahun Chhetris? The khas people were spread all throughout the Himalayan belt particularly in Karnali region? Therefore there are Khas speakers in west of Nepal and east of Nepal. How do you think majority of people of Sikkim, Darjeeling and some people in Assam speak Khas? Was there PN Shah to force to use Khas language? Was there Jang Bahadur to implement Muluki Ain? And also what do you mean by pathaunu parchha? Where do you want to send the mathiko top 2?
  • Sierra Sudip Shyam Mallik jeee maile pani tehi bhandai chu, ani bawun, chetri, sudhra and baisya bhaneko chai k ko aadhar ma ho?
  • Laxmi Tamang Thank you Khas Brahmin who gave Varna to Newar. Newar community are so lucky to have Varna system and caste system, Brahmanism and Genocide to Rai, Limbu, Gurung, Magar, Tamang, etc were less. If Sanskritization and Brahminism to these communities could would be successful then there would be no conflict in Nepal anyway. That was the most unsuccessful part of past rulers I suppose
  • Sierra Sudip newars are having internal conflict now becoz of caste system
  • Laxmi Tamang I don't think so Newars are having internal conflict since they are happy to be a varna system if I'm not wrong Dravin Bahadur Shrestha bro might tell the truth
  • Shyam Mallik Sierra Sudip ji kaam ra gyan ko adharma hunu parne ho tara hamikahaa ta janma ko adharma hudo rahichha....bahun ko chora/chori bahun..shudra ko chora chori shudra....maharshi balmiki shudra baat brahman bane karma ko adharma ....bahun parshuram chhatriya vaye karma ko adharma....tara ahile yesto chalan chaina ...
  • Krishna Hari Maharjan Let's live in the real world not in imaginary one. We are what we are, Indians are what they are. Time and circumstances guide us to the future destiny. No one can stop the time bound changes. That's why some people do not like globalization of economy. But, they cannot live in self-sufficient status without doing business with other economies. I do agree with the views of Shaswot Institech that we should continue to preserve our cultural identity which would help protect our country as an independent nation.
  • Shyam Mallik Laxmi Tamang ji, how many un-brahmin leaders we have in Nepal ?? india ka netaharu jastai Edvige Antonia Albina Maino aka Sonia gandhi, President of congress india, mohammad hamid ansari-vice president of india, manmohan singh-prime minister of india, Shahabuddin Yaqoob Quraishi-chief election commisnor of india haru pani brahmin nai hun ??
  • Laxmi Tamang Hehehehe! I'm not against cultural identity anyway since our culture is Nepali wherever we go in the world and hold any citizienship doesn't matter.
  • Laxmi Tamang So if you guys are so much worry about your identity you never ever gonna lose your identity, culture and religion rather than country/nationality even if you give up your citizenship whereever you go in the world. You'll remain Nepali, Newar, Brahmin, Tamang, Rai, Limbu, etc
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Laxmi Tamang ji, I have debated with this ID since 2010. There are multiple people who post from this ID. Their eventual aim is to divide Nepal as per the administrative division created by Jang Bahadur after he implemented Muluki Ain getting inspired from the British.
    अङ्रेजबाट प्रेरित भएर जङबहादुरको पालामा मुलुकी ऐन आएपछि पहाड र मधेषलाई दुई प्रशासकिय क्षेत्र बनाएर शासन गरियो, जुन अङ्रेजहरूको नेपाल राष्ट्र टुक्र्याउने दिर्घकालिन निति थियो। अङ्रेज को यस्तो नितिको परिणाम सुडान र श्री लंकामा देखियो। संसारको अरु स्थानहरुमा पनि अङ्रेजहरूले त्यस्तै गरे गराए होला, तर मैले बिशेश गरि श्री लंका र सुडानको अध्ययन गरेकोले ती दुईको उदाहारण लिएको हुँ। के त्यही बाटोमा अब हामि हिड्ने त? अब हाम्रो अगाडी चुनौती भनेको मिलेर अघि बढ्ने या साम्राज्यबादीहरूको निति अनुसार फुटेर अघि बढ्ने भन्ने हो।
  • Laxmi Tamang Nepal never ever going to divide anyway. It is just the FEAR of politicisns, scholars, etc ho. It will merge with Hindustan anyway in 50-100 years time. I've a firm belief on this since all our rulers, scholars, politicians and people are striving for it anyway. I wish them all the best and May Lord Shiva (God of Destroyer) BLESS them !!
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Not in my lifetime, and in my great great grand children's lifetime. We need to create such a Nepali state where our descendants of all jaatis can live in this land with dignity for the next 1000 years.
  • Laxmi Tamang There will be a Nepal state anyway as a territory of India/hindustan like Sikkhim, Bhiar. Hamara Bharat//Hindustan Mahan hey! United we stand, Divided we Fall so we've to unite with Hinduistan anyway
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट When I say Nepali state, I don't mean state like Bihar or Sikkim, I mean the state apparatus enacted to safeguard the interests of all people of the independent country of Nepal.
  • Laxmi Tamang We've >90% influence of Hindustan/India anyway in each and every sector anyway so I dream to become part of Hindustan as a Nepal state anyway. Hope to see within 50 years time before I die because there won't be anyone to see from our family anyway
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट That is what you wish. I am one day hoping for a United SAARC.
  • Laxmi Tamang Despite my all 3 brothers gave up nationality of Nepal I didn't give up because I wanted to die in Nepal contributing to Nepal but seeing the MINDSET and intention of our Neapli ethnic brothers I've to die as an India citizen because action proves rather than reaction anyway
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट Seems like Jiyara was able to corrupt your mind too! Nepali ethnic?
  • Laxmi Tamang Jiyara Shah has not able to corrupt my mind since 2011 I know him but Hemant Mainali bro and our discussion on his wall about Nepali ethnicity and also exploration about that made to convince anyway. Just tell me if you've given up your Nepalese citizenship to USA then what is your identity over there. Isn't it Nepali Amercian, which means your ethnicity is Nepali anyway
  • Laxmi Tamang I shared to Jiyara Shah "Jiyara ji you don't have to worry anymore about your identity since many Nepalese scholars from USA, Canada, UK, etc and also from Nepal are happy to merge Nepal to India. One of such scholar, Bashu Dev Lohani (शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट) said If Nepal merge with India, keep Nepal's name and flag, then I have no problem." because he said preserving Sanskrit, religion and culture are important then having a separate motherland. Discussion took place in this group" to be happy since he gonna win and he said "Jiyara Shah: Laxmi Tamang nepalio ko india mein merge hona hai to wo logo ki marzi.......hum madheshi nepali hain hi nahi to unka opinion se humein koi farq nahi padta.......
  • शाश्वत इन्स्टिंक्ट नेपालको नागरिकता बोक्ने र नेपालप्रती आस्था राख्ने सबै नेपालि हुन्।
  • Laxmi Tamang Nepalese citizenship is valid within Nepal only. Abroad passport matters rather than citizenship. So, those who have given up their Nepalese passport are Nepali ethnicity in abroad anyway. That's how they are identified anyway.
  • Laxmi Tamang I've worked in terai districts in Mahottari, Dhanusha, etc and visited many border districts so have firm belief that Nepal will be India state anyway. I didn't just say blindly. All the evidences are proving that Nepal soon be India's state anyway within 50-100 years time. Our bordering poles are moving to Nepal land day-by-day and our politicians and people are becoming more pro-India anyway.
  • Shyam Mallik OwO....Laxmi Tamang ji got passport without havine citizenship !!
  • Laxmi Tamang ??????????????????????????
  • Laxmi Tamang Je hos maile ta since 2011 Indian friends haru banau suru garisake involving in different groups and our Indian friends want to bring King and re-establish hindu state in Nepal. May be now I've to support them to bring a king because our Nepalese brothers want to merge with India anyway! So, rather than being a witness of mother raping I better help her surrender her life to India anyway after all daughter can't see mother raping but sons can see as much as they can since they always run after show off kind of things such as MONEY, POWER, POSITION, SEX, RELIGION, IDENTITY, CULTURE, WAR, etc rather than true LOVE!!
  • Sierra Sudip Laxmi Tamang jee teti saro ta nabhannu na ho haha
  • Laxmi Tamang Truth is bitter to accept and digest but truth is truth we've to learn to digest anyway. Otherwise we just gonna surprise with the final outcome anyway!
  • Laxmi Tamang Come and join this group where my friend Umesh Agrwal from India is educating us about
  • Sierra Sudip hahaha sooner janamat sangra of border area will be done to merge parts of Nepal into India
  • Laxmi Tamang Rather than to give suprise myself I'm preparing myself from now so that integration and assimilation will be much easier to accept for me once Nepal is declared as a state of India. Come and join this group as well